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Skids
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Looking forward to it.
I will be there from the Friday as well so will definitely say hello.
Looks like I will be helping set up the Jakki Degg stand again and I will be taking some photos for Jakkis site 
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| Posted: Mon Sep 17, 2007 12:01 pm Post subject: |
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| Skids wrote: | | Looks like I will be helping set up the Jakki Degg stand again and I will be taking some photos for Jakkis site |
How'd you swing that? 
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Skids
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Like Mark said you may not get a press pass.
I know others have told me (including Mark I believe) that you can really only get Press Passes if you earn at least 50% of your earnings from photography, and they are getting stricter because decent looking cameras can be bought pretty cheaply these days so they want to make sure people with Press Passes are benefitting the shows (If that makes sense)
If like me you only do it as a hobby you would be very lucky to get one, I know you got one for Trax but that must have been an exception.
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Skids
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| Alias wrote: | | Skids wrote: | | Looks like I will be helping set up the Jakki Degg stand again and I will be taking some photos for Jakkis site |
How'd you swing that? |
I have been a member of her site for quite a while now and I have met her at a fair few events and as I have got to know her and her mum a bit better I have helped out.
Also I took pictures of her at one show and let her have them for the site and after that it has just stuck really. They are glad to have photos for the site and I am glad to take them!
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I realise they don't just hand them out willy nilly (there's a phrase you dont use everyday) but I haven't even been sent a form or asked any questions so they don't yet know I'm a blagging hobbyist
I'm going with or without the pass so I'm not overly bothered, just curious.
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Skids
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I should have added, I have also applied for one to see what would happen (even though I have already bought a ticket)
I haven't heard anything either!
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| Posted: Mon Sep 17, 2007 5:04 pm Post subject: |
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Look out for Hayley Allen in the hot tubs
As Mark said press passes are hard to get for Modded UK,they only give them out if justified.they even limit how many models stand holders in babeworld can get free entry for.
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Andyw
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| Posted: Mon Sep 17, 2007 11:03 pm Post subject: |
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The 50% thing is really an NUJ condition.It prevents a load of people getting a pass without any real justification and so keeps their integrity intact.I have an SJA(sports journalist assoc)pass which I got because I actually work as a freelance tog for various publications.This still doesn't guarantee me a pass(Santa Pod being the most difficult place to get into).I can get into international sporting events easier than there.If you get a MSA pass that makes live easier but again you have to have work published(web sites don't really count anymore(Pimpster,amongst others, being one of the exceptions).
I can see both sides to the pass discussion,the shows want genuine coverage(fair enough)but some of these shows ain't worth paying into anyway and they could do with any promotion they can get.The girls love having their pictures taken so they'd miss the photographers being there and surely a handful of passes ain't gonna break the bank.Only my humble opinion. |
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Pimpster Mark
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| Posted: Tue Sep 18, 2007 8:25 am Post subject: |
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Pimpster has been around long enough and is known well enough by show organisers to be a respected website who will give proper show coverage, and this justifies our passes, and therefore it is good that all the shows now seem to be clamping down on the people who don't really justify passes.
The thing with Pimpster is that we are there to cover the WHOLE show, and not just the girls!
The trouble with the UK car show scene in general at the moment is that it is becoming too centered around the girls, with a sort of 'lads mag' approach. It now all seems to be about wet t-shirt competitions, who has the best promo girls and who can play their sound systems the loudest. Admittedly, we at Pimpster take a keen interest in all this, as they form a part of the show alongside the cars, but they have got to the stage now where they dominate the show and the cars play second fiddle, when they should be the main focus of the show.
If you were to go to a VW show or a typical car show in Europe, this would highlight how a proper car show should be. It is all about the cars, and the promo girls and the odd stage show by the likes of the Fuel Girls provide the side attractions.
No offence to anyone, but applying for passes when your website only covers girls is not in my opinion justified, as it is not what a car show is about.
Sorry for the waffle, but that is my take on the matter of passes! lol |
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Seems like I have kicked off a bit of a debate.
Looking back, perhaps "press pass" was the wrong term. "Media pass" would be better in these days of new media. You don't need to be making a living from photography to have a large audience in these days of podcasting and blogging etc.
As a case in point I would never have known about the scene if it wasn't for Skids and Cyrus's websites. Neither of which set out to be a portal on all things modified cars.
While I agree if everyone with a camera gets a pass it's all going to descend into chaos, but I don't think we need to get precious about some websites being entitled and others not. Where is the line drawn? Websites that are X years old or get Y hits a month? Or do we go the whole hog and say only people on the pay roll of a magazine or newspaper get the pass? Or how about only togs who have personal liability insurance?
Incidentally, about 60 bibs were given out at Trax, for an attendance of 14000, so I am inclined to think this issue isn’t as big as the high percentage of photographers on Pimpster makes it appear..
I am not intending to wind anyone up here, just playing Devil’s Advocate.
Si (lighting the blue touch paper and running  )
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Pimpster Mark
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| Alias wrote: | As a case in point I would never have known about the scene if it wasn't for Skids and Cyrus's websites. Neither of which set out to be a portal on all things modified cars.
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My point entirely! You have no interest in cars and only know about the scene for the girls, so why would a car show give you press or media access to get photos on what should just be a side attraction of the show?
Regardless of audience, number of hits or profitability of the media the pass would benefit, the show organisers are now only looking to grant access to people or organisations which add value to the scene, reporting on the show as a car show, and not as a show for just taking pics of girls.
Show organisers know us, who we are and what we stand for, and how and where our pics are to be used, so it is good that we get passes. We report on the shows, and visitors should get a preety good cross section of what the show was like from the report on the whole show. This is where we add value, as it is an independant review of the show, and the show organisers see this as a good way of supporting the car show scene as well as getting good publicity if we give their show a rave review.
However, if you have a website which just covers the girls, you can't moan too much if the show organisers decide not to grant you access, as their first suspicion will be that you are one of the many people who have just started your own website, doing it for the fun of it and further polluting the impression that car shows are all about girls, rather than adding anything constructive to the car show scene.
The best example of this is Max Power magazine. They have contributed to the car show scene heavily in the past few years, none more so than through Max Power Live, but they now realise that the focus has been taken away from cars and they have given their magazine a make-over to reflect this, with the magazine now all about cars with hardly any girls. This was one of the reasons behind Max Power Live stopping, as well as the rumoured cost implications, and can't remember the last time they even had a stand at a car show?
Fuel also feel the same way about the direction of UK car shows, even though they have the Fuel Girls, and this is why they have now started doing more European shows in favour of UK ones, as the European shows are more focussed on cars. |
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Skids
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I agree with you wholeheartedly Mark about press passes for covering the whole show and if any Tom, Dick or Harry gets a press pass they will probably feel like they have the privilege of getting in the way of people who want to get snaps for themselves or for non-commercial sites. And by saying this I don't mean people like yourself, I mean the non professional ('I have a new camera') types. (Its bad enough with people with their mobiles )
As most people know and as Si has pointed out my site started as a hobby and a way to share my pictures and at the moment I want it to stay that way. I make no money whatsoever from it and that is fine by me.
So if I don't get a press pass it is no big deal, sometimes I am lucky in the fact that if there isn't many press about, people like NikkiLee will let me into the press enclosure for the FastCar Stand and I am very appreciative of that. Although now she doesn't work for FastCar I am scuppered!
Also if I am at a show and I see somebody like Mark, Darren or Colin taking pictures I will make sure I don't get in his way. I may take pictures over his shoulder but I will normally wait until they have done their shoot before I jump in for my pictures as I know the pictures for Pimpster (etc) are more important.
At the end of the day we don't need press passes when we have wonderful sites like this to come onto and see quality pictures.
Thats my opinion so I will shut up now
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Pimpster Mark
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| Posted: Tue Sep 18, 2007 11:22 am Post subject: |
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Yep, I agree with that Skids.
We get passes to get access all areas, like trackside and front of stage access.
At the end of the day, we are supportive of the car show scene and don't want to be seen as taking it for a ride.
As you rightly say Skids, if it is a hobby, you shouldn't mind paying your way to do it, and all too many people see press access as a way of getting in free to do their hobby. |
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| Posted: Tue Sep 18, 2007 11:31 am Post subject: |
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| Pimpster Mark wrote: | | You have no interest in cars and only know about the scene for the girls, |
We'll it seems you have formed an opinion of me from my 20-or-so posts on here. I know full well I don't really deserve a media pass and I have no problem with paying to get in (I'd pay a premium in fact), but I base that upon my hobbyist status not because my event coverage may seem biased to some.
I respect your opinions Mark, and in fact I agree with a lot of what you say, but lets not start judging eh? Especially when you don't know my car history, or what images I have posted on other websites.
Having this debate is better than the day job though
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Pimpster Mark
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| Posted: Tue Sep 18, 2007 11:38 am Post subject: |
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We'll it seems you have formed an opinion of me from my 20-or-so posts on here. I know full well I don't really deserve a media pass and I have no problem with paying to get in (I'd pay a premium in fact), but I base that upon my hobbyist status not because my event coverage may seem biased to some.
I respect your opinions Mark, and in fact I agree with a lot of what you say, but lets not start judging eh? Especially when you don't know my car history, or what images I have posted on other websites.
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Well, you said you only know of car shows becuase of Skid's and Cyrus's girl related websites....what else am I to think or judge??? |
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